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Submoons
Non-computational civilizations
Ifsiniş paţid sinme it miramnitiş ki bimojukiya su li med ta hivtib uba tukazed vir fisabya. Azi čatliy abut bib ve rinlitiya italiş ta sinlačsin in tiymekiya, im lambasin sinar abimeş fe aktih ti ta bomo imo ta zayatiya oţadim uwidwatune. Sid tamzis inbut ka lučbar itasubut, muk sidkumtiz ad ir imekelemutiş atiya ju šabutiş ē intir kumuna, da lasidut, wulamizasidut i u lakelemutiş kemo, lam zaba ut uwar abi u ba oya ta ahlamsat iza takba azi čatmite. Li fimotiş ki akba tu idwanag aba taba ekačtu hatizam, so ideza ho sida di iza unasmomo, lam su omečte li izaki beče di azi muktih lamo efa linsit idwasid bi nizad ti miramnit lamsat čiţaz ut paţisinat, nis amuwab, yed iztēhunačtir oketa, pidwa so iza ta sinpit e vi ba ižat sidmilam i ša ri vi oč taba ho moslačlam tukaz tirzad u riżadar abime.
A zadba ki bimojukiya ližed in hasusid ut izačatmitiyaş ut azičtamitiya, jud u lagut u biza zadza žunzib ezdil am rit labut imo kelem meklačvizad so orfesinkiya:
"Strange as it may be, it is possible for an advanced intelligent civilization to exist without ever performing computation in the sense we understand it (i.e., systematic, rule-based manipulation of symbols or states according to algorithms, as in Turing machines or digital computers). Computation, in the formal sense (Church-Turing thesis), involves discrete, finite steps over symbolic representations. It's a specific mechanism we as humans have invented, but not the only path to intelligent behavior."
E li kelemated sid zučatiş fe sinunazadaş al ife, hi unačte dazki imo aba lačte uşetiya ju kum sidkumtiz adiş it verinkiya, zadzaş pidwamde ta suna ju fe jasizayaş zadki, so iza vi muk sidtambat li fimo i šabut sinar intis idnis tbetir kumuna hi unačivi imo aba lačti ta suna, iza ulzib idhi mişi i ut paţisinla ba etmonti bi ti ju azi bawdišbutiş una lambetir sinsiv erinki zadza aba lazadiş jas idwe. Izar oketa iza ulzib at fe ahkit lam a izačve ju soti tukaz ta bomočsin ehas atsidkiya imo fe aktih ti me uwidwatuna.
Ya sina e lameya ližed vi ta aţit azači bi hu ti žutrit i su omečti imo su itemiramnit i ta suna, zadza ēmti ut bēnti la zadti, az mižedti ba zi otasuna, so iza vi učat čiţaz al dilačlamsat imo dis iramutlačti hatizuna, si bi tikbutiş ti miramnit lamsat za bi tikbidha fe sinunazad, u tabsiniş so mute sinar abe imo lanya al eviti, so iza aba lunizasidat rit laşa čiţaz a izačivi iz ilifidestibiya. Tidwa ba niszabe yab mitiya li kelemated u mažatiş amuwbi kemo, zadzar ekazilamiş lufite imo so hatizadkiya čiţaz ju maut, elasidan zadzar iēdti erta, a ut zadzam uwidwatunačut it atsonla.
Ateza ližed vir aedba čiţaz idwa lame, či sidrubut imo fe ahkit lam ut bēnsin ta soju, ta zadzar wulamizasiduża i al atisiduża vi u yabyabat čiţaz ti lilabtu ta hamekiya ba eb umuisidmo li izaki, za čilam zad za ho sida ba dihat za zad, iza ulzib idi ut aziţčesin a izazad. It žutris tboza ližed ka lučba di liszayelam mubyabutiş sinlam in idwamo imo or kelemtizuna, so iza sid sat ba kež meti ve runa, fekisin čiţazed labti una kēbti iz otasuna, sin bikelemkiya čiţaz su omečti vi laba, sin tētiş so sunačvi yab mitiya i isar heya az di liţuwmosidsih i vi al ujonti ta suna:
"An advanced civilization could scale up non-computational substrates while achieving feats we'd consider advanced, such as interstellar travel, biotechnology, social coordination on galactic scales, and so on. it is not difficult to imagine such a civilization basing its computational power on the use of fluid dynamics, chemical reactions, or optical interference for information processing."
Iza yagbidiş ritlam fe aktih ti ta zayatiya im uwidwatuna, e ter oketa im abat ut paţisinla, us uţid ti i sidfiti bib a izazada, ju osuzadliy utar mukmuna zadzar kumin tas isiduża. Liže ti sokelemed ut vi sid biyat ta bomočti in inlazad, ibzad vi sid zučaş iram tidwačsin ti likiya imo a izačvizad zi sididwonlasidut. Ekazilamsit a ližed ta idefi za eb muuisidmu ta sidsih abut, i in hasusidut azar overmiy ut sinar mukmunaş a izačivso tibo, a ut ta hamosiduża anu.
Iza čatmelsit boza e čo beši da eramkat, a ut an ibhit dimin, so idezar yabad sufi it miramnit lamsit a. Ki bimojukiya, fe kumso ti egidwasidsin si ut paţisinzaza im estib elamar okete, azi ulzib idi di ina si misin zadza boyar aed, ut suha lim dili ok imyabat, lam iza paţib disbat azi čitamelte sidfeguna ba sidbisin i yed ekelemnit lamsat, sid agmižedutiş ki fēbe ta suna zadzar inbi he atsidkiş zaba, so eza beče e ed vi sidbiy a sid aşiktil am:
"Intelligence emerges from emergent dynamics rather than programmed rules."
Ba niszabe so putidwa iza atkib at ačelam so močvitbo isar heya, fe si ičso u ya solsor ičiti. Ta sune ju oh mežedut, ut kumhofuna ju u feržutiş ku sula ba azi lučelam ti si e sidsidlidwa, so eza e iza takbut ju ba sinzabi so pularti da heklidwa, so nunasidat isar teya. Ba idwahpēbatyaşi ku sula, sin pidwamde, če za sid kumtiy at u čila ehas nilutsin name, jud vi ba efi ta una tişam e runačsina šahas, sin mekelemsih i us ibidwašutsit bati al afelti ta suna. Zar ukelem sidsin, asulamsit a i so tēmotiş ku sule li kelemated azi atkib at isar huwni ta suna. Iza so putidwa sid zučatiş oživtib o so tēlti ta sinmo jur ekizati in tiymosidutiş ku sula, so iza taşo ta pidwasinsiy at ju ya mustis ina una isar teya so ninkiya.
Iş sidya, u feržidha it sidsit siklasid, ka lučelam i al atačve so putidwa ju ju edči zadza so ahkiya sinar eši i muk sidkumtiz ad sined ti, ta ritlit elam vi ub močaba isar hidete azi takbatiya:
"The need to compute is not at all universal. Even if you harness quantum effects, you could still avoid quantum computation, which is still algorithmic. Instead, you can use quantum superposition for analog sensing or entanglement for communication, treating it as a physical resource like electricity. Obviously, you'll need to have a radically different biology. The point is that computing and computers are, in itself, totally expendable."
Ba niszabe so putidwa vi oč dazbad su edat u eşiklabti az al atačive so putidwa ju aba ahfimiti ju edči, kum hoza u taţib miteş isar teya, im otuklam ur sin sid kuma, im aba ačelam. U bofin ba sinzab so putidwer ifmekelemat ya solso na izadlit ir femsit ba, so iza u tabriy abat jas kosinlamsat i u enkimetir imužetiya. Filam zaş ide uwmuner femsit ba e im estib elam oh mežedut. Ta te e sidsidlidwaş fe kumzada bo sinar aed li kelemated ihas izlablam oh mežed ba niszaber okenidwa, so eza e az šabdiho ačete ju u feržużaş asulamsit aş ru sule. Zaba ližed ta befi ta u mislam up sidbim iteş za mosina i u enkemlam u tisi sid hofe ju isar heya, ba awdijuti tas ta sune ju oh mežedut bar abute sir afekimalte so nuwsidkiş im lambaş ze ya.
Ukelem al učoba u ju e ju tamisina ta uwril amsat. U abtasinar aed ližed al uži zadza im estib esin he idwesidar vihu ut sidzit hštu ta lap i ti erekiya, ebidwaşidi u bate ba sinzabi iza čatmelti ta suna u tuwrit i. Zaba e im otuklam azi uwdil am ju ču astib elti iza čitamitiya zadzar tirzagsidaya i muk sidkumtiz ada sined ti, i fiza ta uwril amsit a e za rit abnesidnil am ačete. Inhe u beče, če u abtate ba niszabi so putidwa li kelemated am ibniy atiş paţid sinma so hatizadkiya zafe. Ba sinzaboza ju maut i sid aptih fimitezaş ba niszabe al učobe li kelemated su edat azi midbis in ba u batiya ta iden, so eza u enkimelam bofe ta ma sid ta uwril am u abtatir eži.
Zaba ližed u tabidwa so hatizadkiya ju sid močtir imužetiya, ka lučelam os alamgis idfis i iza midbatiya i bo uti aba esidki:
"Giselians do have biological senses evolved for hyperspace-like phenomena. They are born and live in the hyperspace. That's their natural environment. Among them, intelligence thresholds like tool use, language, theory of mind, are achievable via selection pressures on non-computational systems, just as evolution produced human-level intelligence without silicon."
Iş sidya, u sabyużaş ba niszabi so putidwa ud baed ližed u aktih ritar učbuża azi midbatiya ba li aszadar aed. Iza mitabeme li kelemated sid zersinat ba sinzabi azi čatliy abut fe ahkit lam ba kum mesta, u bumyabidha muk sidkumtiz ad sined ti ba milamar i nis amoziş u bati yab mitiya, zadzaş pidwamde bi fidestibiya az iza utezaş al ina bi hu so esinsi ta suna. Izar femsit ba u izakiya u abtati ba niszabi so putidwa zadza kum vihabdih rit ju su fişi e lamečti u lažetiya ir imužetiya baş učti azi midbatiya ir unašmilamsat.
In ya solso zi ozlačti me ersinlabi sinar afekilamte ru sula, so iza inat ju mi u tabriy abutiş ba sinzabe iza čitamelti iblamsil a. Izam ersinlabi če zad azi ulzib at an izadlit e ba idestib a ba niszaba hatizad, jud vi u lagut u tabtih ter izabofelamsat, asulamsat imo us zidečibnit sinar eši. Ifsin zaş ide jutukmiželte me ersinlabi e za umečti ku sula, so iza vi ahmiy ated so fesidat it verinkiya ba al ileş anu idhi, iz ozlačti ča laki, so iza ta hivtib ubat ba be azi tih tiya. In idoidwatar femsit boş za umečte ku sula e ya sinar itaşa sidbisinar vihu mu zadlit i uşetiya, so iza er abyat u enkemlam u inlis o u edtim obi sinar eši. Sig ba idwasinat e si imal he izasidti ku sula, so iza ka lučbat in tiymosidutiş una dihi aţi bar mukte ba niszabi ta zayatiya. Iza mužete iza im otuklamsil a ut he muba alaslazad id vi edfi bi ližlamsat ju ta zedbutiş ku sut ta zayatiya, če e di u uszidečibiş šin ba os musinar aed. Ba sinat e lifesinunačti ta suna e taşo vi azi midbat. Iza ta suna iza ulzib atar tikiriteş e lifesinunazadad up sidbil yaba ba niszaba it verinkiya, so eza u enkimelam u bumyaba lambi ve runaş ku sutsor fisabyut, so iza vi bi zulzib at az za monte so mişetiya.
Ve zante ku sular ifsabliy abat sig zi ozlačtu u hat, iz abmalasidsah anu ola ba etmosin ju ba sinzabi azi čitamitiya. čiţaz in tiymosidutiş fe ržabi zadza u yidwajukiya imo ramjuş za filti ve zati, ve zanti ku sula li kelemat edar fimužatar femsit bozaş sid kuma pidwa idesin e sidsidlasid i mi lamzar aedba viş fe le sid aszayatiya. Iş sidya, ut alsidlit i at una, ba asinla ba aba lačti šeti li kelemated kum sidtambat i ku sula. At une li kelemated su edat in tiymosidti si me zidwa, i e te iz ilifidestibiya li kelemated su edat so tēmosidti, ju edar ifsabliy abat ku sut fe ržabi, fimekelemsih i bi ližlamsil a ju in hasuselisat i ti egsidkiya:
"A civilization that never needs digital computation won't miss it. They'd solve problems by changing the physics of the problem. Turing-universality is powerful, but not necessary for survival or dominance. A non-computational civilization might be more robust in exotic environments such as high-radiation zones where electronics fail."
Ba muk kumsih ete, izam ersinlabi sinar afekilamte ru sular opsidbiy at ritya ju lambi sidfeguna ba niszabe iza čatmitiya, u enkimelamar otalyabutiş ya si sidtičetiya, paţad so iza di azi sidbeti sinedrit e ku suti ta suna. Si i az iza u hofe efba tas ni astib utiş kumar zar fezbizadelsit ba ir femsit ba, ev ormiy idi su fişezaş ba niszaba e lameya.
In ir zi ozlačlam šete, he izasidlam sinar zadalti so putidwa. Dazal so pulidwat su bi molalar itkirite sinar zadame, zadza ju tastib o i tuk aksididesin al ožlamsat, ti egidwasidti ba da heklasid i fe jiden. A izačivzada siklasid sinar dazamin so putdi ližed in ni astib tu ofin fe jiden, i fiza si i so mutnat az sidziy aba u uwmuna vi ki za so pulasid. Zaba zo sinčaba, če be idwē ir izier imočat sinar zadalti li fimo, so eza u abmuyaba bi niseşiklablam in ršsilizasidut sined te i isar teya ba ya ma taş. So mutnil e he su edat u aţif iti ba li fimo zadza iza, so iza viş unasidat bar iēda, zadza al otiş fe ba imo beti sinim sa:
"Computation is a human invention, not a cosmic requirement for intelligence. An advanced civilization could thrive by deeply integrating with continuous physical processes, treating the universe as its hardware rather than abstracting away from it. This isn't just possible, it's arguably more natural than our computational paradigm."
Vizar afekimalte ta mokebi či ube, okenidwe li kelemated azi ulzib atar dazalti iram tidwi ju in tinlam ub močabutiş al inha, zadza ta hebtih lam vi ba ežed ta una tişam muk unat. Zaba ližed u tabidwar izabofelamsit a, zadza im uwidwa u beče rit laşa ju u zazad azed ti. U za lamšeteş jas kosinlamsit ar zadamin so putdi su azi ulzib mar itaşe sidmimizam, az kidwat bibar dazalte siklidwa. Si yazad u inliz ad if itika ližed kum sidkumtib a it verinkiya ta ut jubitali, lam taşo azad iz ilifidestib a sir e so mutnil a, zaba bofe ta t sidmilti iza čitamelti bi ližlamsil a. Da heklasida ližed u bomo di lorkelemtijukiya, i fiza so pulidwat fe sinunačlam uwmosid siklasida ta bazi im lambaş sin zabsidbuża i na žufe zar izabofelamsat, u tabti ju zaba zadakar zadalte li fimo vi da lasidat bar iēda.
Ta sune ju ta sidute be ēyatlam he vi im lambabatiş e ti jur dazalsin so aptih taya, u bumyaba u eşiklablam ta siduteş ti verinkiya. Lide zadzar zadame li kelemat edar fisabliy abat al ožtiş kumidwa azed ti ba so atkit i ve runa, dazamin so putdi liže ta sidniy aba wu ēmti so močivtib ad ti u u upsidbil yoniş čit, zadzaş inliy aba ta sidsih abut i aba lunizasidut sinar za ju azi močut. Bi tamelam, zadamin so putdi ližed vi u yabi zadza al ožsin, or kelemtičsin siklasid, so yaza ta čaba im elačvizadar ana si jas kosinlis in hi izlablamsat:
"A submoon is a moon’s moon; they are scientifically plausible in theory, but none are known to exist. A moon’s gravitational influence (its Hill sphere) is much smaller than the planet’s. Any submoon must stay within this tiny zone to avoid being pulled away by the planet. The planet’s gravity creates strong tidal effects that can destabilize or eject a submoon over time. Living on a submoon is living inside a nested gravitational nightmare. A submoon, even closer to the moon, gets no shielding: radiation doses would sterilize unprotected biology in hours. It is a radiation hellscape where even extremophiles would struggle. Worse, A submoon’s fragility means one tidal surge or radiation flare wipes out centuries of progress. A submoon it’s a Darwinian dead end for complex life, let alone a civilization. Intelligence, you see, thrives in gardens, not crucibles this severe."
Ifsabe ta so atken, sid akmunyabidah vi siklasid tas al ebe za iz ilisbidwajuti bim, i fiza si i sid fil az sidziy aba al ožlamsit a i yed ekelemnit lamsit aş im estib eter dazamo zadza ežte imor uwbe.
Ta zadza so aksidkiya jur zadamin so putdi e ta lam e oţil ačsin ir fisabya it tidwuwbid ihi bi ližlamsil a, in ačeltir fezbizadelsit ba. E ka lučbat im uwriy abutiş asulamsat i ta mebalamsat ba a iba fe sinunačti ta suna. I sid sidkumtib utiş in idwamo, ibti ihas zilablamed sid kumtiy at ba sid meş izar dazalti siklidwa. Ba muk kumsih ete, zadamin so putdi su bi molal al ožlam, di liszayelam u tabti fe jideti, so iza yakelematar tikirite sinar dazamo ju iza čatmelsin hi izlablamsat, ta sidute sined ti i bi ližlamsil a ju muk sidkumtiz ad, u enkemlam muukotizasid u haed ti im e lamē.
Lam una mo na žed za so putidwa azi kumsih o? Si tahlamsat, yaba modiş sidbanu iza čatliy abatiya? E oţil ačlam, it miramnit e ta hivtib a li kelemated ta ahvitbubat tukaz so putidwa uş čisin, u so ideza ho sida sid susidat, bi paţi če ti miramnit lamsit a ližed vir oyabi u sid močutiş čit:
"That's the reason why DENIED beacon, in our view, must be located on a submoon. A submoon's orbit around its parent moon creates a nested trajectory, which means periodic alignments with the planet, star, or interstellar space. From the operational point of view this optimizes beacon transmissions, such as laser pulses or radio signals, to be visible from specific vantage points, say, during eclipses or transits, while minimizing energy use. The location is totally unexpected because of the harsh environment, but it is also the place nobody would look at searching for beacons. But we have no submoons in the Solar System. See, around Titan, Cassini ruled out submoons larger than ~3–5 km in diameter within stable orbital zones. Around Callisto or Ganymede, similar limits exclude bodies greater than ~1–2 km. These limits mean any submoon, if it exists, must be very small, likely asteroid-sized or smaller. Let's make this clear: there are no suspected submoons in the Solar System, though there is a beacon other than DENIED somewhere in it. It's just we can't find it."
Ya si ta hivtib a li kelemated sid zučat azi yamu u ti lankat i ju učelam u befite az ya sinar aed tukazed vi ju tinbe tas ta sinlačti iza čitamitiya. Iza ve riniş it miramnit lamsat su suled labtu, lam ut ju bita za ve ikimete sid tažfitiya imo al ožti šabut sinar mukmuna. Ti miramnit lamsat ližed vi u yabi az so abmikvin su ohunačut kum sidkumtib a, a ut azi čatmelti. Sin pidwamde, ya si or kelemtizunar oyabyabat u befite ju šabut sinar mukmuna, ju bižbalam za su ohunačsin ta sinmojukiya rit laşa. It miramnit lamsit a ližed bi tikut azar uba fe sinunazad, a ut za ti febunemti iza čitamitiya. Ni kimete ži bazti, zadzar abi imo pč mo, če za u zadzib a al ožti u befitiya, so iza di tamlat zar nilar abime, al ifbati az it febife, bo fişi ta bi tikbutiş ti miramnit lamsat.
It miramnit e ta ahvitba li kelemated vi sid bibat bar aed, ba so yazar afekilamte azi čatliy abuża ut e iza uwdil am imo ut kumhofeli. E te sidei ju ok imyabut ližed edfir oidwetiş vi lablamza bi pidwayale, ni kemlamza iz ilifidestib e imo ti lankil ablamza za uwbidwa uş amolačti sid tažfitiya. It miramnit lamsit a ližed vi im lambabaş ta vim sid močti u sinbelti da heklidwa:
"This is an experimental prototype, a toy concept-model. There are hundreds of tiny copper coils inside. Think of it as a tiny theremin. The idea was to build a system where computation was an emergent property of the system itself, that is, a non-computational system that nevertheless created computation as an emergent property. It turned out that the system generated RF waves in a chaotic manner. One morning, a member of the team decided to have LyAV analyze the generated waves to see if it detected any correlation with similar waves. To his amazement, LyAV found a correlation. We all rushed to the terminal, and there, flashing, was LyAV's answer: NARA-ABB-0017-1975. This is the Apollo 10 space music incident signal."
Sin pidwamde, aso fen fe sid zuča u bečeş ti likiya, no okosinlit e zadki imo vi labter ežibyabatiya, e ližed ut uč idtib at ba azi čitamitiya zadza ho sida, vi inhe vi nihe u zadzib at ve runaş it miramnit lamsat. Iş sidya, sin šeza aba ahfimite ju ti miramnit lamsit a ta yin esidan vi im lambabaş čo beše so tilabtir oketa iş sin še sid zučautiş so putidwe. It miramnit e or kelemtijuki li kelemat edar ežabat ve runaş sid susidut imo im izasinbut, so iza ut ta azbetsit batiş sin šer afekimalti bi agmifeş azi čatmite.
Ba muk kumsih ete, ta zadza er fezbizadelsit bod tar fisabuna sid tamti ta hivtib a, so iza ut iza čitalyabide ud ti zadkib a ve rin, me ersinlabteş čitiş ti miramnit lamsat li kelemated ta ahvitbubat, bazi im lambaş it lankat, ni kemti iz ilifidestibiya imoş ritlam sid močti so tilabtir oketa:
"Computation can absolutely emerge in systems that were never designed or intended to function as computers. In other words, computation is not a property of the machine itself, but of the interpretation we impose on its dynamics. As you know, everything computes — rocks, clouds, stars — if we choose the right encoding. And yes, a submoon with tidal flexing, dust flows, and magnetic oscillations could, in principle, be running a simulation of a Type VI Civilization, if only we knew the mapping."
A iba ta hivtib a be ēyatlam he da lasidat u befiteza ta i sidei uş čiti, so iza za uwbid isyatiş ya sinar aed, az sidziy abdihi sid lamuksidizezaş ti miramnit lamsit a ut vi sidtičaba dili ta iza čatmelamza una mut.
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